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The House Committee on Homeland Security hearing entitled "The Extent of Radicalization in the American Muslim Community and that Community's Response." Peter King, Chairman Witnesses Panel 1 John Dingell, A Representative in Congress from the 15th District of Michigan Keith Ellison, A Representative in Congress from the 5th District of Minnesota Panel 2 Frank Wolf, A Representative in Congress from the 10th District of Virginia Panel 3 Dr. M. Zuhdi Jasser, President and Founder, American Islamic Forum for Democracy Mr. Abdirizak Bihi, Director, Somali Education and Social Advocacy Center Melvin Bledsoe, Private Citizen Sheriff Leroy Baca, Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department 13:00:00 ZUHDI JASSER: VERY DIFFICULT, YOU KNOW. I WAS ASKED ABOUT WHAT AM I 13:00:02 DOING HERE? AND, YOU KNOW, MY FAMILY ASKS ME 13:00:05 THAT FREQUENTLY BECAUSE OF ALL THE PRESSURE WE GET BECAUSE OF 13:00:07 WHAT I DO. IT'S NOT AN EASY TASK TAKING ON 13:00:13 AN ESTABLISHMENT, A MENTALITY THAT WILL NOT CHANGE OR REFORM, 13:00:16 THAT WILL NOT REALIZE THERE ARE CHANGES THAT HAVE TO HAPPEN 13:00:19 INTERNALLY TO PREVENT THIS CANCER FROM HAPPENING. 13:00:21 THE PRESSURES ARE INNUMERABLE ESPECIALLY FOR A MINORITY 13:00:24 POPULATION. IT'S INTERESTING THAT THEY ARE 13:00:27 CIRCLING THE WAGONS INSTEAD OF I THINK THE BEST WAY TO LET FEAR 13:00:32 OF MUSLIMS MELT AWAY IS TO HAVE THEM SEE US LEADING THE CHARGE, 13:00:36 SO IN MANY WAYS, ALSO, WE'RE NOT INTELLECTUALLY EQUIPPED I THINK 13:00:41 FROM A RELIGIOUS STANDPOINT BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD THE 13:00:44 INFRASTRUCTURE BUILT IN LIBERTY AND THEOLOGY BECAUSE SO MANY 13:00:47 MUSLIMS I THINK DON'T UNDERSTAND THE FAITH WELL AND HAVE NOT BEEN 13:00:50 EDUCATED IN A WESTERN MINDSET AND WE HAVE TO BUILD THESE 13:00:54 INFRASTRUCTURES TO ALLOW THAT REFORM TO HAPPEN. 13:00:56 BUT IT'S A LOT OF TRIBALISM I THINK AND A LOT OF CIRCLING OF 13:01:00 THE WAGONS AND THERE'S -- THAT HAS TO CHANGE AND THEY DON'T 13:01:03 WANT TO -- THANK YOU ALL. 13:01:06 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THE GENTLEMAN'S TIME IS 13:01:11 EXPIRED. MR. DAVIS FROM ILLINOIS IS 13:01:13 RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. 13:01:16 CHAIRMAN. I WANT TO THANK ALL OF THE 13:01:18 WITNESSES FOR COMING. AS I'VE LISTENED I'VE HEARD THE 13:01:23 CONSTITUTION BEING MENTIONED A NUMBER OF TIMES. 13:01:26 I THOUGHT OF THE PREAMBLE THAT SIMPLY SAYS THAT WE HOLD THESE 13:01:30 TRUTHS TO BE SELF-EVIDENT, THAT ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL AND 13:01:37 ENDOWED BY THEIR CREATOR WITH CERTAIN INALIENABLE RIGHTS. 13:01:42 AND THAT AMONG THESE ARE LIFE, LIBERTY, AND THE PURSUIT OF 13:01:47 HAPPINESS. AND I'D ALSO SAY THE PURSUIT OF 13:01:51 JUSTICE. I THINK ALL PEOPLE WANT TO BE 13:01:55 VIEWED AND TREATED THE SAME WAY, WITH EQUAL RIGHTS, EQUAL 13:02:03 PROTECTION UNDER THE LAW, AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO PURSUE WHAT 13:02:11 THEY THINK ESPECIALLY AS LONG AS IT IS NOT VIOLATING THE RIGHTS 13:02:19 OF OTHERS. S 13:02:23 SHERIFF BACA, I'VE ALWAYS BEEN, SINCE I'VE KNOWN ABOUT YOU, 13:02:27 IMPRESSED WITH YOUR LAW ENFORCEMENT CAREER, ESPECIALLY 13:02:30 THE WAY THAT YOU HANDLED THINGS LIKE LAW ENFORCEMENT MISCONDUCT 13:02:35 AND THE WAY THAT YOU TRY AND BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER TO 13:02:41 UNDERSTAND THE ROLE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT. 13:02:44 I WAS JUST THINKING THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CITY OF CHICAGO IS 13:02:48 LOOKING FOR A POLICE CHIEF RIGHT NOW. 13:02:52 AND WHILE WE WOULDN'T TRY TO STEAL YOU FROM -- WE WOULD LIKE 13:02:56 TO CLONE YOU IF WE COULD AND JUST BRING YOU, BECAUSE I THINK 13:03:03 THAT YOU REPRESENT A LEVEL OF LAW ENFORCEMENT PROFESSIONALISM 13:03:09 AND UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE ROLE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT IS THAT 13:03:14 I'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR AND SEARCHING FOR AND WANTING TO SEE 13:03:18 EVER SINCE I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN PUBLIC LIFE. 13:03:21 AND SO I SIMPLY COMMEND YOU FOR THE WAY IN WHICH YOU HAVE 13:03:29 EXPRESSED YOURSELF TODAY AND FOR THE TRACK RECORD THAT YOU HAVE 13:03:36 DEVELOPED. I'D LIKE TO ASK MR. BIHI AND MR. 13:03:40 BLEDSOE A QUESTION RIGHT NOW. AND I UNDERSTAND FULLY -- I LIVE 13:03:46 IN INNER CITY CHICAGO -- HAVE LIVED THERE ALL OF MY ADULT 13:03:54 LIFE. WE HAVE A LARGE MUSLIM COMMUNITY 13:04:00 GATHERING SOMETIMES WITH 15,000, 20,000 PEOPLE ACTUALLY GOING TO 13:04:07 LISTEN TO MINISTER FARAKHAN SPEAK AND WILL BE ENTHRALLED THE 13:04:14 WHOLE TIME. WHAT CONDITIONS DO YOU THINK 13:04:22 EXIST THAT CAUSE RADICAL GROUPS TO THINK THAT THEY CAN 13:04:28 SUCCESSFULLY RECRUIT AND L RADICALIZE YOUNG PEOPLE, 13:04:35 ESPECIALLY, IN NEIGHBORHOODS AND COMMUNITIES LIKE THE ONE THAT I 13:04:39 JUST DESCRIBED? WELL, I DO KNOW A LITTLE BIT 13:04:47 ABOUT CHICAGO. YOU'RE SPEAKING MOSTLY WHAT THEY 13:04:51 CALL BLACK MUSLIMS, LOUIS FARAKHAN AND ELIJAH MOHAMED AND 13:04:57 MALCOLM X FOLLOWERS. I THINK THERE IS SOMEWHAT OF A 13:05:03 DIFFERENCE BUT AS THE RECRUITMENT PART, I THINK THE 13:05:06 RECRUITMENT PART WILL COME BEFORE LIKE WHEN PEOPLE ARE 13:05:10 DENYING THAT WE HAVE A PROBLEM AND THAT IS ONE RECRUITMENT 13:05:14 PEOPLE WILL GO AFTER -- IF WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM THEN THEY 13:05:17 CAN RECRUIT EASIER. WELL, I AGREE THAT I DO MEAN 13:05:21 AFRICAN-AMERICANS, BUT I MUST CONFESS THAT MY BREADTH IS MUCH 13:05:24 BIGGER, MUCH WIDER, MUCH BROADER, AND I INTERACT WITH ALL 13:05:29 KINDS OF MUSLIMS PRETTY MUCH ON A REGULAR AND ONGOING BASIS. 13:05:35 WHAT I'M REALLY TRYING TO GET AT, I GUESS, IS ARE THERE 13:05:42 SITUATIONS THAT WOULD CAUSE INDIVIDUALS TO BELIEVE THAT 13:05:44 THEY'RE GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL? I MEAN, I DON'T GO HUNTING 13:05:51 UNLESS I THINK SOME GAME IS THERE. 13:05:55 YES. I DON'T GO FISHING UNLESS I 13:05:58 THINK THERE IS SOME FISH IN THE LAKE. 13:06:03 MAY I ANSWER THAT, SIR? DO YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING? 13:06:06 WELL, I'M GOING TO ADD SOMETHING. 13:06:08 YOU KNOW, THERE ARE PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT ARE 13:06:10 LOOKING FOR JUST THAT. YOU KNOW, THERE ARE PROFESSIONAL 13:06:13 PEOPLE LOOKING OUT TO RECRUIT AMERICAN CITIZENS NOT ONLY IN 13:06:16 CHICAGO BUT A LOT OF OTHER AMERICAN CITIES. 13:06:19 SIR, IF I MAY ADD, YES, THERE ARE MANY REASONS WHY THEY'RE 13:06:25 LOOKING FOR OUR YOUTH. NUMBER ONE, IF YOU LOOK AT 13:06:33 THE -- THE SIMILARITIES OF THOSE WHO ARE MISSING FROM 13:06:37 MINNEAPOLIS, OR FROM DENMARK, OR FROM COPENHAGEN OR FROM SWEDEN 13:06:43 OR FROM LANCASTER, THEY ALL SHARE ONE THING. 13:06:47 THEY ALL ARE MOSTLY FROM SINGLE MOM HOUSEHOLDS -- YOUNG MEN THAT 13:06:52 USUALLY DO NOT HAVE MENTORSHIP AT HOME ARE ALMOST 85%. 13:06:58 NUMBER TWO, THEY ARE LOOKING FOR YOUNG PEOPLE WHO NEVER HAD ANY 13:07:04 PROBLEM. THIRD, THEY ARE LOOKING FOR KIDS 13:07:08 WHO ARE FROM AMERICA AND THOSE WESTERN COUNTRIES WHO ARE FROM 13:07:11 THOSE COUNTRIES THAT WILL NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WHEN THEY ARE 13:07:14 TRAINING. THEY CAN GO BACK AND SLIP INTO 13:07:18 THOSE COUNTRIES AND THEY CAN JUST ORDER THEM TO DO THOSE 13:07:23 DIRTY, WICKED JOBS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 13:07:25 AND THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I YIELD BACK. 13:07:27 THANK YOU, MR. DAVIS. THE GENTLEMAN FROM PENNSYLVANIA, 13:07:32 FORMER UNITED STATES ATTORNEY? THANK YOU. 13:07:35 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I WANT TO THANK THIS ENTIRE 13:07:37 PANEL. I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LONG PROCESS, 13:07:40 BUT I REALLY DO BELIEVE THAT WE'RE GAINING A GREAT DEAL FROM 13:07:44 YOUR INSIGHT. SHERIFF BACA, I WANT TO THANK 13:07:47 YOU FOR THE WORK THAT YOU DO. I KNOW YOU REPRESENT ALL LAW 13:07:49 ENFORCEMENT. I HAD THE GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO 13:07:53 COME IN AS THE UNITED STATES ATTORNEY JUST A WEEK AFTER 13:07:56 SEPTEMBER 11 AND I WATCHED COLLEAGUES LIKE YOU ALL ACROSS 13:07:58 THE UNITED STATES FAN OUT AND REACH INTO THE COMMUNITY AND I 13:08:01 HAVE TO SAY WE GOT A GREAT DEAL OF DIALOGUE FROM MEMBERS ALL 13:08:07 ACROSS, INCLUDING MANY WHO PRACTICED THE MUSLIM FAITH. 13:08:10 SO I DON'T THINK THE ISSUE REALLY TODAY IS SO FOCUSED ON 13:08:15 THE, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION OF DIALOGUE. 13:08:18 IT'S AS MUCH THE QUESTION OF ARE WE GETTING THE RIGHT ABILITY TO 13:08:22 COMMUNICATE IN A WAY THAT HELPS US PREVENT THE NEXT EVENT? 13:08:26 AND I HAVE BEEN AWARE OF ONE OF THE THINGS WE WERE ASKED TO DO 13:08:32 BY THE VERY EXPERTS THAT AREN'T HERE TODAY WAS TO GO OUT INTO 13:08:37 THE COMMUNITY AND SPEAK TO FOLKS JUST LIKE YOU SO WE COULD 13:08:42 UNDERSTAND BETTER HOW TO HANDLE THIS. 13:08:45 AND I HAVE TRIED TO LOOK AT THE BROAD SPECTRUM OF THINGS THAT 13:08:48 HAVE BEEN PUT FORTH QUITE A BIT HERE TODAY BUT, DR. JASSER, I'M 13:08:54 GOING TO FOCUS ON SOMETHING THAT YOU TOUCHED. 13:08:57 AND IT'S INTO THIS AREA BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, THIS ELEPHANT IN THE 13:09:01 ROOM THAT WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE TALKING ABOUT. 13:09:06 RELIGION AND JIHADISM. YOU MADE A STATEMENT THAT THE 13:09:09 ROOT CAUSE OF MUSLIM RADICALIZATION, AND THIS IS WHAT 13:09:13 IT'S ABOUT, IS ISLAMISM, POLITICAL ISLAM. 13:09:18 AND THEN I WAS STRUCK BY YOUR WORD. 13:09:21 HOW CAN LAW ENFORCEMENT EFFECTIVELY DO COUNTERTERRORISM 13:09:25 IN OUR COUNTRY WITHOUT RECOGNITION THAT POLITICAL ISLAM 13:09:28 AND ITS NARRATIVE IS THE CORE IDEOLOGY WHEN AT ITS EXTREME IT 13:09:34 DRIVES THE GENERAL MINDSET OF THE VIOLENT EXTREMISTS CARRYING 13:09:39 OUT ATTACKS? THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO PREVENT 13:09:41 ARE THOSE ATTACKS. CAN I ASK YOU TO DESCRIBE JUST A 13:09:44 LITTLE MORE DETAIL, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY POLITICAL ISLAM? 13:09:48 THANK YOU, CONGRESSMAN, FOR ASKING ME THAT. 13:09:50 I THINK IT'S SO VITAL TO UNDERSTANDING THAT AS WE'VE 13:09:53 HEARD REPEATEDLY THERE'S ISLAM, MY FAITH, WHICH IS THE MORAL 13:09:58 C CONSTRUCTS OF INTEGRITY AND 13:10:00 HONESTY AND VIRTUOUSNESS AND WHAT I BRING TO MY SCRIPTURE AND 13:10:04 MY RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD AS THE JUDEO CHRISTIAN TRADITION IS. 13:10:08 THEN THERE IS POLITICAL ISLAM WHICH IS A MOVEMENT TO CREATE A 13:10:16 T THEOCRATIC STATE. 13:10:18 NOW I MAY PRACTICE ISLAMIC LAW IN MY LIFE BUT THAT'S A CHOICE 13:10:23 AND OUR ORGANIZATION BELIEVES IT'S NO LONGER RELIGIOUS LAW, IT 13:10:26 IS NO LONGER A RELIGION IF GOVERNMENT COERCES YOU TO DO 13:10:29 THAT. BUT THAT ANTAGONISM BETWEEN THIS 13:10:32 COUNTRY'S UNDERSTANDING OF THE ESTABLISHMENT CLAUSE AND THE 13:10:35 BEAUTY OF LIBERTY VERSUS POLITICAL ISLAM WHICH WANTS TO 13:10:38 PUT INTO PLACE ISLAMIC STATES LIKE IRAN, LIKE THE TALIBAN HAD 13:10:42 IN PLACE, OR LIKE THE WAHABI SYSTEM IN SAUDI ARABIA OR, 13:10:47 MILDER YET, THERE ARE VERSIONS OF POLITICAL ISLAM THAT ARE 3.0 13:10:51 OR 4.0 THAT USE DEMOCRACY AND ELECTIONS BUT YET END UP STILL 13:10:55 BEING BASED NOT IN REASON BUT SOCIETY IS BASED IN SCRIPTURE 13:10:59 EXEGESIS WHERE THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT CAN HAVE OPINIONS ARE THE 13:11:03 SCHOLARS OF ISLAM. AND THEREFORE LAY MUSLIMS LIKE 13:11:06 MYSELF GET DISMISSED FROM PROCEEDINGS BECAUSE WE'RE NOT 13:11:09 EXPERTS IN ISLAMIC LAW AND THEREFORE IT BECOMES AN 13:11:13 OLIGARCHY. THAT IS WHAT WE'RE UP AGAINST. 13:11:14 AND THERE ARE THE EXTREME VERSIONS LIKE OSAMA BIN LADEN, 13:11:19 TRYING TO CREATE A GLOBAL HOMOGENY OF ISLAMIC STATES AND 13:11:24 THERE ARE THE MORE SLIPPERY VERSIONS THAT BELIEVE IN 13:11:26 DEMOCRACY AND I THINK YOU CAN LOOK AT THE THREAT BY LOOKING AT 13:11:29 WHY MOST OF THE RADICAL GROUPS AROUND THE WORLD WERE HATCHED 13:11:32 FROM MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD IDEOLOGY AND PEOPLE SHOULD READ UP THOSE 13:11:37 IDEAS AND LOOK AT WHAT THEY'VE DONE. 13:11:39 I THINK AS WE UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF THOSE IDEAS 13:11:43 INFLUENCING IDENTIFICATION OF MUSLIM -- I PUT IN MY MATERIALS 13:11:47 IN THE APPENDIX SOME CHARTS THAT LOOK AT THE RADICALIZATION 13:11:50 PROCESS. ONE WAS FROM THE NYPD REPORT. 13:11:52 THE OTHER WAS FROM A COUNTERTERRORISM EXPERT PATRICK 13:11:55 POOLE WHO LOOKED AT THE FACT THAT YOU END UP WITH TERROR ON 13:11:57 THE TOP BUT THERE'S A LOT OF FEEDERS INTO THAT. 13:12:00 THE PRIMARY FEEDER IS THE SEPARATIST FEELING FROM SOME 13:12:04 MUSLIM YOUTH THAT THEY DREAM OF A UTOPIA TO BRING THE STATE BACK 13:12:08 TO THE WAY IT WAS AT THE TIME OF THE PROPHET MOHAMMED AND THE 13:12:12 TIME IN THE 7th CENTURY HE MIXED ROLES OF BEING A HEAD OF STATE, 13:12:15 A GENERAL, AND A MESSENGER OF GOD. 13:12:17 WE NEED TO START CREATING NEW IDEAS. 13:12:20 THEY CALL THAT, SOME WOULD CALL IT HERETICAL. 13:12:24 I CALL IT MODERNIZATION, NEW IDEAS THAT SEPARATE THOSE ROLES 13:12:29 BECAUSE THE TIMES SQUARE BOMBER, WHEN HE WAS IN FRONT OF THE 13:12:32 JUDGE, HE TOLD HIM, I DID THIS BECAUSE I WAS A MUSLIM SOLDIER. 13:12:36 SO OUR MUSLIM COMMUNITY IS LOOKED AT BY THESE INDIVIDUALS 13:12:40 AS BEING A POLITICAL UNIT, MILITARY UNIT, AND UNTIL WE 13:12:43 SEPARATE THAT YOU WILL NEVER STOP TERRORISM. 13:12:46 THANK YOU. THE GENTLEMAN'S TIME IS 13:12:48 EXPIRED, AND NOW WE HAVE THREE MEMBERS WHO ARE ADDED BY 13:12:53 UNANIMOUS CONSENT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, FOR 13:12:58 THESE HEARINGS. APPRECIATE IT AND THANK YOU, 13:13:00 RANKING MEMBER THOMPSON, AS WELL AS THE WITNESSES. 13:13:04 JUST WANT TO SAY TO DR. JASSER'S POINT QUICKLY I DON'T THINK THIS 13:13:07 CONVERSATION SHOULD BE GIVEN OVER TOTALLY TO THE 13:13:09 INTELLECTUALS. I KNOW WE HAVE SOME 13:13:11 DISAGREEMENTS BUT I AGREE WITH YOUR PREMISE. 13:13:13 WE HAVE TO BE VERY SUSPICIOUS ABOUT THESE SO-CALLED 13:13:16 GATEKEEPERS. THANK YOU. 13:13:17 AS IT RELATES TO THE RELIGION. 13:13:19 I THINK ALL MUSLIM BUSINESS PERSONS AND SO ON SHOULD HAVE A 13:13:22 CONTRIBUTION AND WE SHOULDN'T MINIMIZE OR TRIVIALIZE FOLKS' 13:13:30 EXPERIENCES OR LESSEN THEIR CREDIBILITY AS IT RELATES TO 13:13:33 TESTIFYING. HAVING SAID THAT AS A PROUD 13:13:34 AMERICAN MUSLIM, SHERIFF BACA, I SPENT OVER A DECADE IN LAW 13:13:41 ENFORCEMENT INCLUDING SOME TIMES IN AN INTELLIGENCE CAPACITY WITH 13:13:44 THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY. 13:13:45 I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR DISPATCHING THE SERGEANT TO MEET 13:13:47 WITH ME AS I VISITED L.A. BUT DURING THE TIME I WORKED IN 13:13:52 LAW ENFORCEMENT, I WORKED WITH INFORMANTS AND COOPERATING 13:13:55 WITNESSES FROM ALL BACKGROUNDS AND A WIDE VARIETY OF CASES. 13:13:58 AND IN EVERY CASE, ONE REALITY HELD TRUE, THAT THOSE WHO 13:14:03 TRUSTED LAW ENFORCEMENT, THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM AND OUR 13:14:07 GOVERNMENT, WERE MOST LIKELY TO PROVIDE USEFUL INFORMATION IN A 13:14:10 VERY TIMELY MANNER. ALSO, THOSE WHO FELT SINGLED OUT 13:14:15 OR TARGETED WERE NUCH LESS LIKELY TO PROVIDE USEFUL 13:14:19 INFORMATION AS WELL. SINCE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE 13:14:22 DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY AND THE PASSAGE OF THE PATRIOT 13:14:24 ACT, THERE HAVE BEEN CONSIDERABLE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT 13:14:27 CERTAIN LAW ENFORCEMENT AND INTELLIGENCE PRACTICES THAT MAY 13:14:31 DO MORE TO SPUR ANTI-AMERICAN SENTIMENT IN THE MUSLIM 13:14:35 COMMUNITY THAN TO APPREHEND TERRORIST PLOTTERS. 13:14:39 NATIONAL SECURITY LETTERS, WARRANTLESS AND WIRETAPS AS WELL 13:14:44 AS UNDER COVER INVESTIGATIONS IN MOSQUES HAVE ALREADY CAUSED MANY 13:14:47 MUSLIMS TO FEAR THAT THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS ARE BEING 13:14:50 DISREGARDED IN THE NAME OF PREVENTING TERRORISM. 13:14:53 CAN YOU TELL US, SHERIFF, HOW THESE AND OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT 13:14:57 AND INTELLIGENCE PRACTICES HAVE IMPACTED MUSLIM POPULATIONS IN 13:15:00 L.A., PARTICULARLY, ALSO TELL US IF YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS 13:15:04 ABOUT HOW THIS COMMITTEE AND CONGRESS MIGHT BETTER STRUCTURE 13:15:07 THESE PROCEEDS TO PROTECT CIVIL RIGHTS WHILE MAINTAINING 13:15:12 EFFECTIVENESS. WELL, THAT IS A VERY TOUGH 13:15:14 QUESTION TO ANSWER IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, BUT I'LL MAKE MY 13:15:18 BEST EFFORT. INTELLIGENCE GATHERING IN AND OF 13:15:22 ITSELF IS AN INTERESTING SUBJECT AND AS WE KNOW, IN MANY OF THE 13:15:30 EXPERIENCES THE UNITED STATES HAS GONE THROUGH SINCE 9/11, 13:15:34 THAT INTELLIGENCE IN AND OF ITSELF MOVES THE SUBJECT MATTER 13:15:41 AROUND, MEANING WHAT YOU BELIEVE IS IN ONE REPORT, MAY BE 13:15:45 MODIFIED BY ANOTHER REPORT, WHICH MAY BE MODIFIED BY ANOTHER 13:15:48 REPORT, WHICH ULTIMATELY LEADS TO WHERE IS THE PEA UNDER THE 13:15:54 SHELL? I DON'T THINK ANYBODY THAT'S IN 13:15:56 THE LAW ENFORCEMENT WORLD INVOLVED IN INTELLIGENCE 13:15:59 GATHERING, PLEASED TO KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN, UNDERSTANDS THAT IF 13:16:08 YOU DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY IN THE INTELLIGENCE WORLD TO MAKE 13:16:11 AN ARREST AT THE TIME THAT THE EVIDENCE DEMONSTRATION THAT IT 13:16:17 SHOULD BE DONE, THEN THE QUESTION IS WHAT INTELLIGENCE DO 13:16:20 YOU BELIEVE AND WHAT INTELLIGENCE DON'T YOU BELIEVE 13:16:22 AND WHO ARE YOUR SOURCES AND WHAT ARE YOUR SOURCES' MOTIVES 13:16:26 FOR PROVIDING YOU THE INFORMATION? 13:16:28 NOW, IT'S VERY CLEAR TO ME THAT THAT FATHER CAME INTO A POLICE 13:16:37 STATION IN ANY PLACE IN AMERICA AND SAID MY DAD IS ACTING A 13:16:40 LITTLE WEIRD AND I NEED SOME HELP WE WOULD KNOW EXACTLY WHAT 13:16:43 TO DO. BUT THIS WAS NOT THE CASE. 13:16:46 THE PROCESS WAS MORPHED INTO AN INTELLIGENCE MODE AND THEN IT 13:16:51 WENT INTO A STATUS FILE AS OPPOSED TO AN ACTIVE FILE AND I 13:16:55 THINK WE'VE CORRECTED THAT IN OUR FEDERAL INTELLIGENCE 13:16:58 GATHERING SYSTEM. BUT IF WE LOOK AT INTELLIGENCE 13:17:03 AS BEING THE BIBLE OF ALL TRUTH, WE'RE IN DEEP TROUBLE IN THIS 13:17:10 COUNTRY. WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS CONTINUE 13:17:13 TO IMPROVE WHAT WE DO TO USE TECHNIQUES THAT ARE CLEARLY NOT 13:17:20 OBSCURING EVIDENCE BUT CLEARLY MAKING SURE THAT THE EVIDENCE IS 13:17:24 IN FACT WHAT IS BEING REPORTED TO BE AND I THINK THEREIN IS A 13:17:31 WHOLE DIFFERENT DISCUSSION THE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE CAN DEAL 13:17:34 WITH OR SUBCOMMITTEE BUT WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO THE TRUTH OF ALL 13:17:39 FORMS OF INVESTIGATIVE WORK, IT IS NOT AN EXACT SCIENCE A 13:17:45 HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE TIME SO WHAT IS THE SAFEGUARDS? 13:17:47 IT HAS TO BE THERE ARE RULES TO FOLLOW. 13:17:50 NOW, WE FOLLOW THE RULES THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SET FORTH 13:17:53 IN INTELLIGENCE GATHERING AT OUR LOCAL JOINT REGIONAL 13:17:57 INTELLIGENCE CENTERS AND THE JOINT TERRORISM TASK FORCE. 13:17:59 SO WE HAVE THE RULES IN PLACE BUT THE HUMAN ELEMENT IS ANOTHER 13:18:05 ISSUE WITH ME AND THAT IS THAT IF WE HAVE INTELLIGENCE OFFICERS 13:18:08 THAT HAVE A BIAS ABOUT A PARTICULAR GROUP THEY'RE 13:18:13 INVESTIGATING, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME PROBLEMS WITH THE 13:18:16 COMMUNICATION CAPABILITIES THERE. 13:18:20 I BELIEVE IN BIAS FREE POLICING, PUBLIC TRUST POLICING. 13:18:24 I DON'T BELIEVE YOU CAN JUDGE ONE MUSLIM FOR THE ACTS OF 13:18:27 ANOTHER. YOU CAN'T JUDGE ANYBODY FROM THE 13:18:29 ACTS OF ANOTHER. WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS GET TO THE 13:18:34 POINT WHERE WHATEVER IS BEING ADVISED TO CONGRESS WE SAY, 13:18:38 OKAY. WE GET IT. 13:18:44 WE'VE HAD A HEARING. NOW WE HAVE TO GO OUT INTO THE 13:18:47 COMMUNITIES AFFECTED BY THE SUBJECT MATTER. 13:18:49 I WELCOME CONTINUAL DIALOGUE, CONTINUAL EXAMINATION, AND 13:18:52 CONTINUAL VISITATION, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO ALWAYS 13:18:55 BE MINDFUL OF WHAT'S GOING NONE THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY. 13:18:59 THE TIME OF THE GENTLEMAN IS EXPIRED. 13:19:01 SHERIFF BACA, MY UNDERSTANDING -- SHERIFF BACA? 13:19:05 YES, SIR. MY UNDERSTANDING FROM TALKING 13:19:06 WITH THE RANKING MEMBER IS YOU HAVE TO CATCH A PLANE AT 3:00 13:19:10 AND HE SUGGESTS YOU MAY NEED TO LEAVE THE PANEL BY 1:30. 13:19:13 YES, SIR. WHATEVER TIME YOU LEAVE IS UP 13:19:15 TO YOU. IN THE EVENT WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE 13:19:17 OF SOMETHING WHEN YOU LEAVE I THANK YOU SINCERELY FOR YOUR 13:19:20 TESTIMONY AND CONTRIBUTION AND YOUR PATIENCE. 13:19:21 I THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, AND YOUR COMMITTEE. 13:19:24 IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE. THANK YOU, SIR. 13:19:27 I KNOW YOU MADE A BIG SACRIFICE TO GET HERE. 13:19:31 YOUR TESTIMONY HAS BEEN ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL TO THIS 13:19:37 COMMITTEE. THANK YOU MUCH. 13:19:40 MAY I MAKE A RESPONSE BEFORE THE SHERIFF LEAVES? 13:19:44 NO, ACTUALLY, ON TO THE NEXT STEP. 13:19:47 I RECOGNIZE THE GENTLEMAN FROM VIRGINIA FOR FIVE MINUTES. 13:19:52 THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO THANK EACH OF OUR 13:19:56 PANEL OF WITNESSES HERE FOR PARTICIPATING IN THE HEARING. 13:20:00 AMERICANS OF MUSLIM FAITH TRULY ARE AN INTEGRAL PART OF OUR 13:20:03 NATION'S COMMUNITY AND PLAY -- CONTRIBUTE TO THE QUALITY OF 13:20:08 LIFE IN THIS COUNTRY. THEY ARE OUR NEIGHBORS AND OUR 13:20:12 FRIENDS. MUSLIMS SERVE HONOR ASHLEYY AS 13:20:14 POLICEMEN, TEACHERS, AND IN OUR ARMED SERVICES AND SOME INDEED 13:20:17 HAVE GIVEN THE ULTIMATE SACRIFICE IN DEFENSE OF OUR 13:20:20 FREEDOM AND OUR WAY OF LIFE. MY DEEP RESPECT FOR THE MUSLIM 13:20:25 COMMUNITY AS THE FOUNDATION UPON WHICH I APPROACH THIS CRITICAL 13:20:29 ISSUE. IT'S WITH ALARM AND FRANKLY WITH 13:20:32 A DEGREE OF SADNESS THAT I CONCLUDE THE RADICALIZATION OF 13:20:37 OUR YOUTH, ONE THAT IS INTENT ON SPREADING VIOLENT, ISLAMIC 13:20:41 EXTREMISM, IS INDEED TAKING PLACE IN THIS COUNTRY IMPOSING A 13:20:47 SERIOUS AND INCREASING THREAT TO OUR SECURITY. 13:20:50 THAT'S WHY I RESPECTFULLY REJECT THE CHARGE THAT THIS HEARING IS 13:20:55 UNNECESSARY AND AN ASSAULT ON ANY PARTICULAR FAITH. 13:21:02 I SEE THIS AS A CONVERSATION, ALBEIT OVER HYPED, BUT IT IS A 13:21:05 CONVERSATION THAT MUST TAKE PLACE AND I COMMEND THE CHAIRMAN 13:21:07 FOR REMAINING STEADFAST AND HOLDING A THOUGHTFUL DIALOGUE ON 13:21:11 THIS SUBJECT. DR. JASSER I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS 13:21:15 MY FIRST QUESTION TO YOU, SIR. I NOTE IN YOUR WRITTEN TESTIMONY 13:21:19 YOU CONCLUDE ONE PARAGRAPH WITH THIS LINE. 13:21:22 THE LIBERTY NARRATIVE IS THE ONLY EFFECTIVE COUNTER TO THE 13:21:26 ISLAMIST NARRATIVE. YOU CERTAINLY HAVE MY ATTENTION. 13:21:29 I FULLY AGREE WITH THAT. AND WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS TO 13:21:36 PLAY THAT OUT AND USE THAT PROPER MESSAGE TO COUNTER WHAT'S 13:21:41 TAKING PLACE NOW? I LOOK AT MY OWN LIFE ABOUT 13:21:46 WHY I TURNED OUT THE WAY I DID AND NIDAL HASAN TURNED OUT THE 13:21:50 WAY HE DID. I GREW UP FOR EXAMPLE LEARNING 13:21:54 THAT OUR SYSTEM OF GOVERNANCE, PEOPLE ARE INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN 13:21:59 GUILTY. OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT IS INNOCENT 13:22:00 UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. SAME PROCESS. 13:22:02 AND I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS WE DON'T HAVE -- WE'VE TALKED 13:22:06 ABOUT NATION BUILDING AND HOW THAT DOESN'T WORK. 13:22:08 NOW WE'VE SHIFTED INTO INSTITUTION BUILDING. 13:22:11 IT'S INTERESTING THAT SOMEHOW WE COMPARTMENTALIZE THINGS ABROAD 13:22:15 DIFFERENT THAN WE DO DOMESTICALLY. 13:22:18 IN FACT, IT'S THE SAME ISSUE. IT'S THE SAME DIAGNOSIS. 13:22:21 THE CONCEPTS OF LIBERTY. MY PARENTS WERE BLESSED TO 13:22:26 HAVE -- MY FATHER WAS BLESSED TO HAVE BEEN EDUCATED IN LONDON SO 13:22:29 THE UNDERSTANDING OF THE SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE 13:22:32 IS SOMETHING HE INTERNALIZED AS AN UNDERGRAD BUT THERE IS NO 13:22:35 EDUCATIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE TO BRING JEFFERSONIAN DEMOCRACY TO 13:22:38 MANY OF OUR OWN HERITAGES. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO GET THESE I 13:22:45 IDEAS INTO THE COMMUNITIES SO IT BECOMES PART OF THE INSTITUTIONS 13:22:47 WE BUILD AND WE TAKE ON THE IMAMS AND REMIND THE IMAMS THAT 13:22:51 IT MEANS TEACHER, NOT LEADER, ALL YOU DO IS TEACH US RELIGION. 13:22:54 YOU DON'T LEAD SOCIETY. YOU DON'T HAVE A ROLE IN 13:22:56 GOVERNMENT. THIS WHOLE ENLIGHTENMENT PROCESS 13:22:58 NEEDS INSTITUTIONS THAT YOU CAN HELP US BUILD, HELP US PROVIDE 13:23:03 INFRASTRUCTURE TO DO THAT BUT YET ALLOW MUSLIMS TO DO IT. 13:23:06 AND I THINK IT DOESN'T CROSS THE FIRST AMENDMENT BECAUSE YOUR 13:23:09 ROLE IS TO ADVANCE LIBERTY, ADVANCE FREEDOM, ADVANCE AND 13:23:14 HELP IDEAS OF EQUALITY OF HUMAN RIGHTS, UNIVERSAL HUMAN RIGHTS 13:23:19 CONCEPTS, AND THEN YOU MAKE SURE THAT WE LIVE TO THOSE AND OUR 13:23:22 ISLAMIC INSTITUTIONS ENDORSE THOSE. 13:23:24 AND THEN WE START ENGAGING IN AL JAZEERA, MEDIA, AND MUSLIM 13:23:29 MEDIA, THESE IDEAS BECAUSE RIGHT NOW MOST OF THE FOREIGN MEDIA 13:23:32 ORRIS LAMB IK MEDIA IS NOT HAVING THIS DISCOURSE. 13:23:38 IT'S ALL ABOUT POLE A POLARITY, MUSLIM, ADVOCATING FOR ISLAM 13:23:44 VERSUS THE WEST AND THAT POLARITY CAN GO AWAY. 13:23:50 WHAT ROLE HAVE FOREIGN IMAMS PLAYED, IN FACT, ARE PLAYING 13:23:55 TODAY, AND SPREADING, YOU KNOW, THIS RADICAL FORM OF ISLAM? 13:24:02 I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW IMPORTANT THAT IS IN THAT WHAT 13:24:05 THEY'RE DOING, AND THE FORMER CIA DIRECTOR JIM WOOLSEY TALKED 13:24:11 ABOUT THE FACT THE SAUDIS HAVE SPREAD OVER $90 BILLION IN 13:24:18 SPREADING THEIR THEOLOGY -- INCLUDING AMERICA? 13:24:21 INCLUDING THE UNITED STATES. THAT'S WHY I MENTIONED THOSE 13:24:23 MOSQUES. THERE ARE MOSQUES IN CINCINNATI 13:24:25 AND L.A. AND NEW YORK, ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT HAVE 13:24:29 BEEN PART OF SAUDI INVESTMENTS AND THEIR IDEOLOGY ABROAD. 13:24:34 AND IN ORDER TO COUNTER THAT WE NEED A STRATEGY TO HELP COUNTER 13:24:38 THOSE INSTITUTIONS BUILDING THOSE IDEAS. 13:24:41 DR. JASSER, AND ALL OF OUR WITNESSES TODAY, THANK YOU SO 13:24:45 MUCH FOR BEING HERE AND, DR. JASSER, I APPLAUD YOU BEING A 13:24:49 BOLD VOICE ON THIS SUBJECT. THANK YOU. 13:24:51 THANK YOU. I YIELD BACK. 13:24:54 THANK YOU FOR YIELDING. I RECOGNIZE THE GENTLEMAN FROM 13:24:58 TEXAS, A FORMER MEMBER OF THIS COMMITTEE, MR. GREEN, GOOD TO 13:25:00 HAVE YOU BACK. THANK YOU. 13:25:04 IT'S AN HONOR TO BE BACK. MR. CHAIRMAN, RANKING MEMBER 13:25:08 THOMPSON, I CAME BY TODAY BECAUSE I LOVE AMERICA. 13:25:15 I LOVE WHAT AMERICA STANDS FOR. I LOVE THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. 13:25:20 IT MEANS SOMETHING TO ME. LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. 13:25:23 I LOVE THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE, ALL PERSONS 13:25:27 CREATED EQUAL AND ENDOWED BY THEIR CREATOR WITH CERTAIN 13:25:31 INALIENABLE RIGHTS. I LOVE THE CONSTITUTION, A COPY 13:25:33 OF WHICH I HOLD IN MY HAND. WE THE PEOPLE IS WHAT IT SAYS. 13:25:37 AND THEN IT GOES ON TO SAY WITH THIS VERY FIRST AMENDMENT, THE 13:25:44 VERY FIRST AMENDMENT, CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW REPRESENTING 13:25:49 AN ESTABLISHMENT OF RELIGION OR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE 13:25:53 THEREOF. BY THE WAY, THIS CLAUSE 13:25:59 RECOGNIZES RELIGION FIRST. IT IS THE FIRST OF THE FIRST, 13:26:05 THE FIRST. AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW NOT ONLY 13:26:07 DO I LOVE AMERICA, I LOVE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. 13:26:11 I LOVE THEM REGARDLESS OF RACE, CREED, COLOR, NATIONAL ORIGIN, 13:26:17 ETHNICITY, OR SEXUALITY. I LOVE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. 13:26:24 AND BECAUSE I LOVE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE I WANT TO SAY IN CLEAR 13:26:28 AND CONCISE TERMS I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH DISCUSSING 13:26:35 TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE ROOTED IN RELIGION, WHICH IS WHY 13:26:39 I WANT TO DISCUSS THE K.K.K. THE K.K.K. REQUIRES THAT ITS 13:26:49 MEMBERS PROFESS A BELIEF IN JESUS CHRIST. 13:26:53 THE K.K.K. SAYS THAT THE CHRISTIAN FAITH IS THE WHITE 13:26:59 MAN'S RELIGION. THE K.K.K. SAYS THAT JEWS ARE 13:27:03 PEOPLE OF THE ANTI-CHRIST. THE K.K.K. WANTS TO PRESERVE THE 13:27:11 TRUE GOSPEL, THE GOSPEL OF THE WHITE MAN'S RELIGION. 13:27:17 BY THE WAY, I'M THE SON OF A CHRISTIAN PREACHER. 13:27:22 I HAVE SOME CREDENTIALS WHEN IT COMES TO CHRISTIANITY. 13:27:29 I WAS BORN INTO CHRISTIANITY, BAPTIZED INTO CHRISTIANITY. 13:27:33 NO ONE CAN SAY THAT I'M LESS A CHRISTIAN THAN ANYBODY ELSE. 13:27:40 AND I'M NO MORE A CHRISTIAN THAN ANYBODY ELSE. 13:27:46 WE'VE HAD 100 YEARS OF TERRORISM PERPETRATED BY THE K.K.K. ON 13:27:52 JEWS AND AFRICAN-AMERICANS AND SOME OTHERS IN THIS COUNTRY. 13:27:56 A HUNDRED YEARS WHICH BRINGS ME TO MY POINT. 13:28:00 MR. CHAIRMAN, I LOVE YOU AND I LOVE ALL OF MY FRIENDS HERE 13:28:03 TODAY. I DO NOT ASSIGN ANY MALICE OR 13:28:07 FORETHOUGHT TO ANYBODY. I DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING HAS ANY 13:28:10 DEGREE OF MALEVOLENCE ASSOCIATED WITH IT BUT I MUST TELL YOU IT 13:28:16 IS NOT FEW OF FOR THINGS TO BE RIGHT. 13:28:18 THEY MUST ALSO LOOK RIGHT. IT MAY BE RIGHT BUT IT DOESN'T 13:28:21 LOOK RIGHT WHEN WE TAKE ON ISLAM AND ALLOW THIS TO TAKE PLACE AND 13:28:27 WE DON'T TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT THE ABUSES ASSOCIATED WITH THE 13:28:32 KKK AND CHRISTIANITY. CHRISTIANITY, ACCORDING TO THE 13:28:37 KKK, IS THE REASON WHY THEY DO WHAT THEY DO. 13:28:44 WHY NOT INCLUDE THE KKK IN THIS DISCUSSION TODAY? 13:28:48 WHY NOT HAVE A BROADER TOPIC THAT DOES NOT FOCUS ON ONE 13:28:54 RELIGION? IT DOESN'T LOOK RIGHT, MR. 13:28:56 JASSER WHEN WE FOCUS ON ONE RELIGION TO THE EXCLUSION OF 13:28:59 OTHERS. THAT'S THE POINT BEING MADE. 13:29:01 YOU ARE AN INTELLECTUAL. YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING. 13:29:07 IT'S NOT ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE DEFENDING AND THE POINTS YOU ARE 13:29:10 MAKING. NOR YOURS, MR. BLEDSOE. 13:29:12 NOR YOURS, MR. BIHI. IT'S ABOUT THE FUNDAMENTAL 13:29:19 FAIRNESS ASSOCIATED WITH FREEDOM OF RELIGION IN THIS COUNTRY AND 13:29:21 WE DON'T SINGLE OUT ONE RELIGION AND GIVE THE APPEARANCE BY IN SO 13:29:28 DOING THAT THERE IS SOMETHING DASTARDLY ASSOCIATED WITH BEING 13:29:31 A PART OF THIS RELIGION. REGARDLESS OF ALL THE 13:29:38 DISCLAIMERS THAT ARE GOING TO BE MADE THAT IS STILL A PERCEPTION 13:29:40 SOME PEOPLE WILL HAVE. I WANT YOU TO KNOW WHEN I BOARD 13:29:43 AN AIRPLANE I AM LOOKED UPON WITH AN EYE OF SUSPICION. 13:29:47 FOR SOME REASON, PEOPLE TEND TO THINK THAT I AM MUSLIM. 13:29:51 FOR SOME REASON A PERSON TOLD ME I NEEDED TO GO BACK HOME TO MY 13:29:57 FOREIGN COUNTRY. THAT I DON'T BELONG IN THIS 13:29:59 COUNTRY. FOR SOME REASON PEOPLE THINK 13:30:04 THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE MUSLIM, MANY, HOW MANY IS MANY? 13:30:09 I STILL HAVE FIVE -- THE GENTLEMAN'S TIME IS 13:30:12 EXPIRED. THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN? 13:30:14 SURELY. LET'S NOT ONLY LET THINGS BE 13:30:17 RIGHT. LET'S MAKE THEM LOOK RIGHT AND 13:30:19 LET'S BROADEN THIS AND NOT SINGLE OUT THE AMERICAN MUSLIM. 13:30:24 NOW I RECOGNIZE THE GENTLEMAN FROM SOUTH CAROLINA, MR. DUNCAN. 13:30:29 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I WANT TO YIELD 30 SECONDS OR SO 13:30:32 TO MR. BLEDSOE TO RESPOND IF HE'D LIKE TO MR. GREEN'S 13:30:38 COMMENTS. AGAIN, I THINK HE IS MAKING A 13:30:42 POINT, BUT, I MEAN, TODAY WE'RE NOT TALKING AT THIS HEARING 13:30:49 ABOUT KKK. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EXTREMIST 13:30:54 ISLAM, RADICALIZATION OF AMERICAN CITIZENS. 13:30:58 I HOPE THAT YOU GHAET YOU CAN BE BACK IN THIS HEARING ROOM. 13:31:04 THAT'S MY HOPE. WOULD THE GENTLEMAN MR. 13:31:09 DUNCAN YIELD TEN SECONDS? NO. 13:31:10 MR. CHAIRMAN, IT IS IN PROTOCOL TO ASK FOR YIELD. 13:31:13 NO, IT'S UP TO -- A "NEWSWEEK" ARTICLE OCTOBER 13:31:20 22nd, 2010, SAID THIS. THE LEFT IS WRONGLY DEFENDING 13:31:23 ISLAMISM AND EXTREMIST AND AT TIMES VIOLENT IDEOLOGY WHICH IT 13:31:28 CONFUSES WITH THE COMMON PERSON'S ISLAM, WHICH, I ADD, IS 13:31:32 A RELIGION. WHILE THE RIGHT IS OFTEN WRONGLY 13:31:35 ATTACKING THE MUSLIM FAITH, WHICH IT CONFUSES WITH ISLAMISM. 13:31:39 THANK YOU GUYS FOR POINTING THAT OUT THIS MORNING. 13:31:41 I WANT TO THANK MR. BLEDSOE AND MR. BIHI FOR SHARING YOUR 13:31:44 STORIES OF YOUR SONS AS A FATHER OF SONS MYSELF MY HEART GOES OUT 13:31:50 TO YOU. I'M NOT AWARE OF ANYONE ON THIS 13:31:53 SIDE OF THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM ATTACKING ISLAM NOR ANYONE 13:31:56 WISHING TO LIMIT ANYONE'S FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS BUT I BELIEVE 13:31:59 WE ARE RAISING AWARENESS OF ISLAMISM, POLITICAL IDEOLOGY, 13:32:03 AND HOW THAT IS BEING USED IN THIS COUNTRY. 13:32:06 I AM REGULARLY ASTONISHED AND OUTRAGED, OUTRAGED BY THIS 13:32:11 ADMINISTRATION'S CONTINUED FAILURE TO SINGLE OUT WHO OUR 13:32:15 ENEMY IS. MR. BLEDSOE SAID IN HIS 13:32:19 TESTIMONY THAT THERE IS A BIG ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM BUT OUR 13:32:21 SOCIETY CONTINUES NOT TO SEE IT AND YOU SAY THAT THIS WRONG IS 13:32:25 CAUSED BY POLITICAL CORRECTNESS AND EVEN POLITICAL FEAR. 13:32:27 I'VE GOT A SLIDE ON THE BOARD AND I KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE HARD 13:32:30 TO READ BUT IF YOU'LL LOOK AT THE 9/11 COMMISSION AND THE 13:32:32 NUMBER OF TIMES ENEMY JIHAD MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD, AL QAEDA, 13:32:38 HEZBOLLAH, HAMAS ARE MENTIONED. THEN IF YOU LOOK AT THE FBI 13:32:43 COUNTERTERRORISM LEXICON AND THE NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE STRATEGY 13:32:45 YOU SEE ZEROS BESIDE THE FACT THAT THEY DON'T MENTION ENEMY 13:32:49 JIHAD, MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD, AL QAEDA. 13:32:51 IT'S AN ASTONISHING CONTRAST. BUT WHAT I CAME HERE TODAY TO 13:32:55 COMMENT ON AND DELVE INTO IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT LINE OF 13:32:59 THOUGHT. IT IS THIS. 13:33:01 AN ISSUE THAT IS OF PARTICULAR CONCERN TO ME AND MY 13:33:04 CONSTITUENTS AND THAT IS THE THREAT OF SHAHARYA LAW TO THE 13:33:09 UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION. THE CENTER FOR STRATEGIC AND 13:33:12 BUDGETARY ASSESSMENTS PRODUCED A REPORT IN '08 ON THE GLOBAL WAR 13:33:17 ON TERRORISM. AUTHORED BY THE CURRENT UNDER 13:33:20 SECRETARY OF THE NAVY. HE REPORTS THE CENTER PIECE OF 13:33:22 AL QAEDA STRATEGY FOR THE LONG WAR IS EXPLODING MUSLIM SENSE OF 13:33:26 RELIGIOUS OBLIGATION BY DECLARING A DEFENSIVE JIHAD 13:33:29 AGAINST THE WEST AND APOSTATE REGIMES. 13:33:32 THE ORGANIZATION OF ISLAMIC CONFERENCE REPRESENTING 57 13:33:34 MEMBER STATES DECLARES ON ITS WEBSITE THAT IT HAS A 13:33:38 CONSIDERABLE WEIGHT WITHIN THESE INSTITUTIONS WHERE IT MAKES 13:33:41 OTHERS LISTEN TO THE VOICE OF ISLAMIC UMA AND PRESENTS THE 13:33:45 VOICE OF MODERATE ISLAM, TOLERANT, OPEN, BEARING THE 13:33:50 MESSAGE OF PIECE AND SOLIDARITY BETWEEN MEN BUT ACCORDING TO THE 13:33:53 KIR OWE DECLARATION ON HUMAN RIGHTS IT CLEARLY STATES ISLAMIC 13:33:59 SHARIA IS THE ONLY SOURCE OF REFERENCE FOR THE EXPLANATION OR 13:34:01 CLARIFICATION OF ANY OF THE ARTICLES IN THIS DECLARATION. 13:34:04 AS THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION IS THE LAW OF THIS 13:34:07 LAND, ANY ATTEMPT TO SUBVERT IT AMOUNTS TO SEDITION. 13:34:11 I TOOK AN OATH TO UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION AGAINST ENEMIES, 13:34:15 FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC, AND IT IS MY DESIRE TO SEE MULTIPLE 13:34:18 HEARINGS, MR. CHAIRMAN, NOT ONLY HERE IN THIS COMMITTEE BUT ALSO 13:34:20 IN HOUSE ARMED SERVICES COMMITTEE, INTELLIGENCE 13:34:23 COMMITTEE, FOREIGN AFFAIRS COMMITTEE, JUDICIARY COMMITTEE 13:34:26 EXAMINING THE ROLE THAT ISLAMIC DOCTRINE PLAYS IN THE 13:34:31 RADICALIZATION PROCESS ASSESSING THE DEGREE TO WHICH JIHADIST 13:34:34 ORGANIZATIONS SUCH AS MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD AND ITS FRONT 13:34:37 ORGANIZATIONS INFLUENCE OUR AMERICAN MUSLIM COMMUNITIES. 13:34:40 SO I WANT TO ASK THIS TO DR. JASSER. 13:34:44 DO YOU FEEL THAT U.S. GOVERNMENT HAS DONE AN ADEQUATE JOB 13:34:47 LEARNING ABOUT ISLAM AND HOW ISLAMIC DOCTRINES AFFECT THE 13:34:51 BEHAVIOR AND COMMUNITY NORMS OF MUSLIMS RESIDING IN AMERICA AND 13:34:54 HOW DOES ISLAMIC DOCTRINE AND SHARIA LAW SHAPE THE 13:34:58 RESPONSIVENESS OF LOCAL U.S. MUSLIM COMMUNITIES TO LAW 13:35:01 ENFORCEMENT EFFORTS THAT TARGET ISLAMIC JIHAD? 13:35:04 THANK YOU CONGRESSMAN DUNCAN. IT'S A WONDERFUL QUESTION AND AS 13:35:07 WE TALKED ABOUT THERE ARE VARIOUS FORMS OF ISLAM. 13:35:13 AROUND THE WORLD. SHARIA MEANS VERY DIFFERENT 13:35:16 THINGS TO DIFFERENT MUSLIMS. IN MY HOME IT IS A PRIVATE 13:35:18 THING. DO I WANT IT IN THE GOVERNMENT? 13:35:20 ABSOLUTELY NOT. THAT IS THE DOCTRINE OF THE 13:35:22 ENEMY. THEY WANT TO CREATE AN ISLAMIC 13:35:25 STATE. THERE IS NO CONCEPT THAT THAT 13:35:28 COULD BE A GREAT ALIVE THE UNITED STATES. 13:35:30 THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT LENSES THROUGH WHICH WE SEE THE WORLD. 13:35:33 WE'RE ALLIES WITH OTHER DEMOCRACIES WHICH ARE SECULAR 13:35:37 BUT ONE BASED IN SHARIA WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE. 13:35:41 THIS IS WHY I PROVIDED A LIST OF SCHOLARS IN MY TESTIMONY THAT 13:35:45 ARE BASED FOR THE ASSEMBLY, THESE SCHOLARS ARE STILL BASED 13:35:48 IN ISLAMIC LAW FROM THE 13th, 14th CENTURY FROM PEOPLE -- THEY 13:35:55 HAVE NOT CREATED A NEW SCHOOL OF THOUGHT. 13:35:57 WHAT HAPPENS IS INTELLECTUAL ISLAM OR AUTHORITATIVE ISLAM 13:36:01 STILL HAS NOT ABSORBED THE IDEAS OF A WESTERN SOCIETY BASED UNDER 13:36:05 GOD RATHER THAN UNDER ISLAM. AND OUR FOREFATHERS WENT THROUGH 13:36:10 THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION OF NOT ASKING THE WORD CHRISTIAN IN OUR 13:36:12 FOUNDING DOCUMENT. THE ISLAMIC COMMUNITY HAS NOT 13:36:14 GONE THROUGH THAT DISCUSSION AND THAT EVOLUTION AND WE'RE 13:36:17 AVOIDING IT. WE NEED TO ADDRESS IT. 13:36:19 WE NEED TO ADDRESS THE FACT THAT THE GOVERNMENT WE SEEK -- WE 13:36:22 DON'T ONLY ACCEPT THE LAWS OF THIS LAND AS THE MINORITY BUT 13:36:25 EVEN IF WE WERE A MAJORITY WE'D WANT THE SAME LAWS. 13:36:28 THAT HYPOCRISY IS THE PART OF THE WORLD MANY MUSLIMS LIVE IN. 13:36:33 THEY ABSORB THE LAWS OF THE LAND AS A MINORITY BUT THEY HAVE A 13:36:35 DOCTRINE THEY BELIEVE IN THAT THEY FOLLOW WITHIN THE 13:36:38 ORGANIZATION BASED ON ISLAMIC LAW WHICH ALLOWS A DUALITY THAT 13:36:41 I THINK AFFECTS THEIR IDENTIFICATION WITH THE SOCIETY. 13:36:44 AND NOT ALL MOSQUES, I KNOW MANY MOSQUES THAT DON'T TEACH THAT. 13:36:47 THEY'RE LOOKING FOR THE RIGHT BOOKS. 13:36:49 I MEAN, IF YOU GO AND I WOULD TELL ALL OF YOU TO GO TO THE 13:36:52 ISLAMIC BOOK SERVICES -- THE TIME OF THE GENTLEMAN IS 13:36:55 EXPIRED. -- YOU WON'T FIND TOO MUCH 13:36:57 REFORM WORK IN THAT. THANK YOU. 13:36:58 YIELD TO THE GENTLEMAN FROM NEW JERSEY, ALSO A FORMER MECHL 13:37:05 T MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE. 13:37:06 THANK YOU. I YIELD TEN SECONDS. 13:37:07 I WILL BE VERY BRIEF. I THANK GOD THAT WE DID NOT HAVE 13:37:12 A HEARING ON CHRISTIANITY AND HOW IT IS RADICALIZING YOUNG 13:37:19 AMERICAN BOYS. WE COULD HAVE. 13:37:23 D WE DID NOT. 13:37:24 THAT'S MY POINT. I YIELD BACK. 13:37:25 THANK YOU. IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU BOTH. 13:37:28 WE'VE BEEN HERE SINCE 9:30. I WAS THINKING A LITTLE LONGER 13:37:32 THAN THAT. WE WERE HERE SINCE THE BEGINNING 13:37:35 OF THIS COMMITTEE. AND IT WASN'T MY IDEA TO LEAVE 13:37:39 BUT THEY PUT ME IN SOMETHING ELSE. 13:37:41 WE MISS YOU, BILL. YEAH, SURE. 13:37:46 SOMETIMES. ISLAM IS A BEAUTIFUL 13:37:54 RELIGION, MR. CHAIRMAN. BUT THIS HEARING WAS NOT ON 13:38:00 ISLAM. IT WAS ON THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY. 13:38:02 THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE. SO IF YOU'RE ADMONISHING PEOPLE 13:38:06 THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, THERE IS THE 13:38:08 TITLE OF THIS HEARING. CORRECT, MR. CHAIRMAN? 13:38:15 WELL, IT SAYS IT. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 13:38:19 BUT THE EXTREMES MANY TIMES ARE IN THE EYES OF THE BEHOLDER. 13:38:26 WHEN WE DON'T UNDERSTAND PEOPLE WE'RE ALL, ALL OF US, BOUND TO 13:38:38 M MISCHARACTERIZE AND STEREOTYPE. 13:38:39 I DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING I'VE HEARD AND I WAS IN THE HEARING 13:38:41 QUITE SOMETIME TODAY AND PART OF IT I WASN'T, I WAS IN ANOTHER 13:38:46 MEETING. I DON'T THINK I HEARD ANYTHING 13:38:47 FROM ANY OF THE PANELISTS AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, TRYING 13:38:51 TO BRING TO -- LEAD TO A CONCLUSION THAT WE SHOULD START 13:38:57 STEREO TYPING MORE OR WE SHOULD START PROFILING. 13:39:00 BECAUSE YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO FIND A RESPONSE OR AN ANSWER TO WHAT 13:39:06 YOU ARE TRYING TO ATTACK. WE WANT TO PROTECT THIS COUNTRY. 13:39:10 WE LOVE THIS COUNTRY. DEMOCRATS DON'T LOVE IT ANY MORE 13:39:13 THAN REPUBLICANS AND VICE VERSA. SO I MUST SAY TO YOU, MR. 13:39:18 BLEDSOE, WHEN YOU SAY THE OTHER SIDE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL 13:39:21 YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER. 13:39:23 BELIEVE ME, SIR. MY HEART GOES OUT TO YOU AND MR. 13:39:27 BIHI BUT WE'RE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER. 13:39:29 LET'S GET IT STRAIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING. 13:39:33 I CAN -- AM CONVINCED THAT THIS HEARING WOULD RESULT IN GOOD 13:39:41 BECAUSE WHEN REASONABLE PEOPLE WILL CONCLUDE THAT THE GREATEST 13:39:47 MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS LIKE EVERY OTHER COMMUNITY IN THIS COUNTRY 13:39:54 ARE PATRIOTS, ARE PATRIOTS TO AMERICA, RIGHT, DR. JASSER? 13:39:58 YES, SIR. YOU AGREE WITH ME, DON'T YOU? 13:40:04 YES, SIR. EVERY SITDOWN THAT I'VE HAD, 13:40:07 WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS WITH THE FBI. 13:40:11 ABOUT MY OWN DISTRICT, I COME FROM PATERSON WITH ONE "T", NEW 13:40:17 JERSEY. THE SECOND LARGEST MUSLIM 13:40:21 COMMUNITY IN THE COUNTRY. I GREW UP IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, 13:40:28 ARABIC NEIGHBORHOOD. EIGHT MORE ARAB FOOD THAN 13:40:31 ITALIAN FOOD. THAT DOESN'T MAKE ME KNOW MORE 13:40:34 ABOUT THE COMMUNITY BUT YOU'LL HAVE TO TAKE MY WORD FOR IT NOW 13:40:37 AND I'LL STAND CORRECTED IF YOU COME UP WITH SOMETHING ELSE. 13:40:41 THAT EVERY TIME I'VE SAT DOWN WITH THE FBI ABOUT MY OWN 13:40:46 DISTRICT I WAS TOLD MANY TIMES THAT THERE ARE -- IS NO HIDDEN 13:40:56 AGENDA AND THAT YOU NEED NOT FEAR THAT RECRUITING AND THE 13:41:01 VERY RECRUITING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY IN THIS 13:41:06 HEARING. NOW DOES THAT MEAN THAT EVERY 13:41:07 DISTRICT IN THE COUNTRY, DOES THAT MEAN CHAIRMAN KING'S 13:41:10 DISTRICT HAS THE SAME KIND OF VIEW? 13:41:12 I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, SOME PRETTY BAD PEOPLE 13:41:15 CAME OUT OF SOME MOSQUES AND SOME PRETTY BAD PEOPLE CAME OUT 13:41:21 OF CATHOLIC CHURCHES, ETCETERA, ETCETERA. 13:41:23 BUT WE CAN'T -- WE'VE GOT TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO AVOID A 13:41:27 WIDE BRUSH BECAUSE IT GETS US NOWHERE. 13:41:30 AND WE CAN'T DEFEND OUR OWN CHILDREN AND OUR OWN 13:41:33 NEIGHBORHOODS IF WE HAVE BAD INFORMATION. 13:41:36 WHY SHOULD WE BE SURPRISED? WE KNOW OUR ENEMIES ARE PROBING 13:41:43 THIS SYSTEM EVERY DAY. THEY COME IN MANY FORMS, MANY 13:41:48 SHAPES, RIGHT NOW AS WE SPEAK IN THIS HEARING. 13:41:51 THE ENEMY IS PROBING OUR SYSTEMS. 13:41:54 NO QUESTION ABOUT IT SO WE NEED TO BE STRONG. 13:41:58 THE GRAPH YOU SHOWED A FEW MOMENTS AGO IS VERY HURTFUL TO 13:42:01 THE VERY COMMUNITY YOU ARE INVESTIGATING. 13:42:04 VERY HURTFUL. AND IT'S VERY HURTFUL TO THE 13:42:08 ADMINISTRATION BECAUSE I DON'T THINK ONE ADMINISTRATION WANTS 13:42:11 TO PROTECT US ANY LESS THAN ANOTHER ADMINISTRATION. 13:42:13 THAT IS FOOLISH. IT DOESN'T BRING US TO ANY 13:42:18 RESOLVE, MR. CHAIRMAN. AND EVEN AFTER FIVE MINUTES 13:42:22 OF THAT, I STILL LOVE YOU. RECOGNIZE THE GENTLEMAN FROM 13:42:26 PENNSYLVANIA. ALSO ANOTHER FORMER U.S. 13:42:29 ATTORNEY MR. MORENO. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. 13:42:31 I WANT TO THANK THE CHAIR FOR THIS DESPERATELY NEEDED HEARING. 13:42:35 I WANT TO THANK YOUR COURAGE AND YOUR LEADERSHIP FOR BRINGING 13:42:39 THIS TO THE FOREFRONT AND I HOPE THAT WE HAVE MORE OF THESE 13:42:44 HEARINGS AND FOR MY COLLEAGUES ON THE OTHER SIDE, I WANT TO 13:42:47 TELL MY GOOD FRIEND THAT I WILL BE WITH YOU SHOULDER TO SHOULDER 13:42:52 IN THE HEARINGS WITH -- FOR THE KU KLUX KLAN AND ANY OTHER 13:42:59 RACIST GROUP THAT DEFILES THIS COUNTRY. 13:43:01 TEN-SECOND YIELD. NO, SIR, NO, SIR. 13:43:02 YOU WOULD ADDRESS ME BUT NOT ALLOW ME TO JUST RESPOND TEN 13:43:06 SECONDS? NO. PENNSYLVANIA CONTROLS THE TIME. 13:43:08 I WOULD -- THE GENTLEMAN FROM PENNSYLVANIA 13:43:11 CONTROLS THE TIME. THE GENTLEMAN FROM 13:43:16 PENNSYLVANIA CONTROLS THE TIME. OUT OF RESPECT, I WILL BE 13:43:19 THERE WITH YOU BUT THE ISSUE TODAY IS TERRORISM. 13:43:24 THE KLAN IS A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION THAT HAS BEEN OVER 13:43:27 A HUNDRED YEARS. THE GENTLEMAN FROM 13:43:29 PENNSYLVANIA -- YOU HAVE NOT SUFFERED ENOUGH. 13:43:31 THE GENTLEMAN FROM PENNSYLVANIA CONTROLS THE TIME. 13:43:34 MR. MORENO, YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, SIR. 13:43:37 THIS HEARING TODAY IS NOT ABOUT RELIGION WITH ALL DUE RESPECT. 13:43:41 IT'S ABOUT TERRORISTS. IT'S ABOUT PEOPLE WHO KILL MEN, 13:43:48 WOMEN, AND CHILDREN IN THE NAME OF RELIGION, WHICH IS BLASPHEMY 13:43:53 IN AND OF ITSELF. SO AS FAR AS THE WITNESSES ARE 13:43:58 CONCERNED, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. 13:44:00 I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR COURAGE TO STAND UP AS AMERICANS 13:44:07 IN AMERICA BEFORE AMERICA IN THE WORLD AND TELL THE TRUTH. 13:44:14 AS A UNITED STATES ATTORNEY, I PROSECUTED A HOME GROWN 13:44:20 TERRORIST AND HE IS IN PRISON NOW FOR 30 YEARS. 13:44:23 AND IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. 13:44:29 NOW, THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED TODAY WERE WELL THOUGHT 13:44:32 OUT AND PROFESSIONALLY ASKED. AND YOU EXCELLENTLY ANSWERED 13:44:39 THEM. BUT AS A FRESHMAN CONGRESSMAN I 13:44:42 THINK SOMETIMES WE FAILED TO ASK THIS QUESTION OF YOU AND, 13:44:47 DOCTOR, I'D LIKE TO PRESENT THIS TO YOU AND THE OTHER GENTLEMAN 13:44:51 CAN RESPOND IF WE HAVE TIME. WHAT DO YOU EXPECT FROM US, FROM 13:44:59 CONGRESS? WHAT SHOULD WE BE DOING TO 13:45:04 PROMOTE THE FACT THAT THIS IS NOT ABOUT A RELIGION BECAUSE I 13:45:09 HAVE MANY FRIENDS THAT ARE MUSLIMS AND LOVE THIS COUNTRY AS 13:45:13 MUCH AS ANY ONE OF US DO. WHAT DO YOU EXPECT FROM US? 13:45:17 THANK YOU, CONGRESSMAN. I HOPE AND I PRAY EVERY NIGHT AS 13:45:20 I DO THIS WORK THAT YOU DEVELOP THE POLITICAL WILL TO DEAL WITH 13:45:24 THIS PROBLEM. THAT WE SEPARATE ALL THE 13:45:28 THEATRICS AND ALL THE CONCERN WITH VITRIOL AND ALL THAT AND 13:45:32 GET TO HOW TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM IN THAT OUR ENEMY IS USING A 13:45:36 LANGUAGE THAT SOME PEOPLE WILL ARTICULATE AS OFFENSIVE AND AS A 13:45:39 MUSLIM I'M TELLING YOU IT IS NOT OFFENSIVE. 13:45:42 I WANT TO DWEEL THAT. BECAUSE WE USE THE LANGUAGE. 13:45:45 WE USE WORDS LIKE "JIHAD" AND THINGS LIKE THAT AT HOME BUT I 13:45:50 DON'T WANT MY CHILDREN TO TAKE THE PREDOMINANT THOUGHTS OF 13:45:54 THOSE THAT ARE RIGHT NOW PREDOMINATING THE WEB. 13:45:58 CYBER JIHAD, THE REFORMIST MINDSET IS VERY HARD TO FIND ON 13:46:01 THE WEB AND THAT'S BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD THE RESOURCES SO WE 13:46:04 NEED THE POLITICAL WILL. WE NEED THE MATURITY AS A NATION 13:46:07 TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS RELIGION, SOMETIMES SAY THINGS THAT MIGHT 13:46:10 NOT BE RIGHT BUT NOT GET OFFENDED AND REALIZE THAT WE 13:46:14 RESPECT RELIGIOUS PRACTICE AND THE FIRST AMENDMENT IS FREEDOM 13:46:18 OF RELIGION BUT NOT FREEDOM FROM RELIGION. 13:46:20 BUT YET SOMEHOW WE'VE GOT SO POLARIZED THAT WE CAN'T DO THAT. 13:46:25 I HOPE, BECAUSE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AT THIS -- AND THE CHARTS 13:46:29 HAVE SHOWED IT, WE HAVE SEEN EXPONENTIAL INCREASES IN ATTACKS 13:46:32 AND OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT IS GOING TO CONTINUE CHASING THEIR TAIL 13:46:35 THINKING COMMUNITY OUTREACH WORKS AND WE'RE NOT DRAINING THE 13:46:37 POOL OF THE IDEOLOGY BECAUSE WE CAN'T CONFRONT IT. 13:46:40 IT IS SURRENDERED. I HAVE LESS THAN A MINUTE 13:46:45 LEFT. I LIKE TO SAY THAT I THINK -- 13:46:48 I'D LIKE FOR CONGRESS TO GET HERE OUT OF THIS, CALL A 13:46:53 TERRORIST WHAT IT IS. SAY WHAT IT IS. 13:46:56 I MEAN, MANY TIMES I'M HEARING PEOPLE SAY, EVERYTHING BUT WHAT 13:47:00 IT IS. AND THE GENTLEMAN SAID NEXT TO 13:47:02 YOU, THE OTHER SIDE, I'M SPEAKING OF THAT WE'RE NOT SPOKE 13:47:06 ABOUT THE OTHER SIDE, SHOULDN'T HELP US TALKING ABOUT THE SIDE 13:47:09 THAT WAS, THAT THEY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS MEETING IS 13:47:13 ALL ABOUT. AND 20 SECONDS. 13:47:17 I THINK THAT THIS LEVEL -- THIS IS ABOUT SAVING FAMILIES 13:47:23 AND YOUNG PEOPLE WHO ARE SUPPOSED TO BE -- AND THE 13:47:27 SECURITY OF THIS NATION. I THINK WE SHOULD FORGET ABOUT 13:47:30 OUR POLITICAL AFFILIATIONS AND CONDITIONS AND JUST TAKE AN 13:47:36 OPPORTUNITY AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF MUSLIM FAMILIES, AMERICAN 13:47:40 MUSLIM FAMILIES COMING FORWARD, DEMONSTRATING TO BE HEARD ON 13:47:45 WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THEIR COMMUNITY. 13:47:47 I THINK IT'S A GREAT CHALLENGE. I THANK THE COMMITTEE. 13:47:49 I THANK CONGRESSMAN KING. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT AND 13:47:53 SHOULD CONTINUE TO OPEN THE DOORS. 13:47:56 NOBODY HATES ME. I DON'T SEE -- I SEE MY OWN 13:48:02 COMMUNITY HURTING ME AND I WANT YOU TO ALLOW ME TO DEAL WITH 13:48:06 THAT. I WANT TO DEAL WITH THAT. 13:48:08 I DON'T WANT SOMEBODY ELSE I DON'T KNOW -- 13:48:10 THE TIME OF THE GENTLEMAN IS EXPIRED. 13:48:12 LET ME THANK ALL THE WITNESSES. OF COURSE SHERIFF BACA WHO HAD 13:48:16 TO LEAVE, WE THANK HIM TREMENDOUSLY FOR HIS TESTIMONY. 13:48:18 HE HAS BEEN BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE A NUMBER OF TIMES. 13:48:20 WE ALSO THANK DR. JASSER, MR. BLEDSOE, MR. BIHI FOR YOUR 13:48:26 TESTIMONY AND ON A PERSONAL NOTE THANK THE RANKING MEMBER. 13:48:29 DESPITE SOME OF THE CONSTERNATION THIS MEETING WENT 13:48:31 A LOT EASIER THAN IT COULD HAVE AND I THANK THE RANKING MEMBER 13:48:34 FOR MAKING A NUMBER OF PROCEDURAL AGREEMENTS PRIOR TO 13:48:37 THE COMMITTEE TO ELIMINATE AND AVOID UNNECESSARY PROBLEMS WE 13:48:40 COULD HAVE HAD AND I THANK HIM FOR THAT. 13:48:42 MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE, YOU MAY HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL 13:48:45 QUESTIONS WE WILL ASK YOU. THE WITNESSES WILL RESPOND TO 13:48:48 THOSE IN WRITING. THE RECORD WILL BE HELD OPEN FOR 13:48:50 TEN DAYS. WITHOUT OBJECTION, THE COMMITTEE 13:48:52 STANDS ADJOURNED.